Although both the Pyromaniacs and CRN have utilized this Youtube video against the Emerging Church Movement, I thin it is VERY appropriate to widen the net to include all New Evangelicals also. This is sadly the sitation in many churches here in Singapore too, as many professed Christians, especially "full time workers" are so 'aggresively inarticulate' (to use a term in the video) that they do not take a stand on anything, but behave exactly like (evan)jellyfishes.
As an experiment, you may want to try the following:
1) Try asking your pastor or any pastor or full-time worker whether they have a stand on any clear issue mentioned in Scripture (ie women being elders, the Doctrines of Grace, publicly calling out heretics etc.)
2a) If they have no stand on these clear Biblical issues, they are Evanjellyfishes.
2b) If they have a stand (regardless of whether it is right or wrong), ask them whether they will enforce it. Use real life cases where possible (ie ask them whether it is biblical to call out David (Paul) Yongi Cho as a heretic), and why.
2bi) If they will not or do not enforce it, they do not truly have a stand on the issue, only an opinion. As such, they are Evanjellyfishes.
2bii) If they say they will and/or do enforce it, either (1) they really will or do enforce it, in which they are one of the rare people, or (2) they are lying.
It is my hypothesis that most of the church leaders in Singapore are Evanjellyfishes. Let's see if anyone can prove me wrong.
Note: Parts of it is hyperbole. I am NOT asking you to criticize all your church leaders, nor to rebel against them.
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"It is my hypothesis that most of the church leaders in Singapore are Evanjellyfishes. Let's see if anyone can prove me wrong."
That is a sweeping statement.
How many pastors do you know personally to begin with? For convenience, let's just stick with those of the Reformed persuasion.
Jenson:
that was a null hypothesis, and I do have proof of it. However, I see no point in showing them to you. When you can start articulating your own personal position on various issues, then I may reconsider. After much interaction, the only position on more controversial theological issues I know you hold on to is your view of the Sabbath (and of course baptism). I will wait until you answer all the other questions (ie your view on the Covenant of Works etc) before I think you may be worth interacting with on this particular issue.
And besides, Reformed pastors do not even constitute the majority of the minority, so your point is totally irrelevant. Stop introducing Red Herrings please.
Jenson:
One more thing: Before going back to your shell, please tell me whether you agree or disagree with the sentiments of the statement. A clear YES or NO answer would be good. Criticizing is easy, try articulating and defending your position for once. Come to think of it, the only position you have ever defended was your position on the Sabbath, and that was done by linking to Peter Masters' article. I can tell you that I have more respect for him than you. At least he attempted to defend his view of the Sabbath. You? After seeing that I did not agree with Dr. Masters, you just attacked me for being a 'Sabbath breaker'. Your actions fit in well with the Fundamental Baptists alrite...
Hey, calm down!
This is your blog, and since you are bold enough to put those statement, I, as a commenter, am asking for a figure - e.g. 50 pastors? I am not even asking for names!
In any case, there is no need for you to ask about my "positions". Just take it that I am another "informed Christian layman".
"I can tell you that I have more respect for him than you.
Daniel, you do not know Peter Masters or myself.
Jenson:
how about a majority of the Angelican ministers, majority of the Methodist ministers, majority of the Presbyterian ministers, and ministers from all non-reformed churches I have ever been to?
'Daniel, you do not know Peter Masters or myself.'
Depens on what you mean by the word 'know', and whether your comments are an accurate representation of the person who is making them. I guess only you yourself can answer that question.
Sounds like you do not know personally many church leaders in Singapore, in the first place.
You are working as a scientist - I would ask you to be as critical of your own statements as you would be with your experimental results.
Regarding PM and myself, I suggest that you leave that alone.
Yawn.... Jenson, for someone who claim to believe in the doctrine of seperation, you sure sound very ecumenical. I can't believe you expect me to believe that you are not a New Evangelical; you are arguing just like one.
All I am suggesting is - if you do not know that many church leaders, perhaps you ought to rephrase your statements.
I do not appreciate that last comment of yours. This may be your blog, and you can delete the comments you don't like. But remember! There is much for you to learn concerning the Christian faith.
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