tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post6656926842261098876..comments2023-09-01T16:11:44.564+08:00Comments on Daniel's Place - (Reformata et semper reformanda): Baptism and the Great CommissionDaniel Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-85709295324550834352011-01-31T07:23:10.400+08:002011-01-31T07:23:10.400+08:00Flesh circumcision -> Water Baptism
Heart circu...Flesh circumcision -> Water Baptism<br />Heart circumcision -> Spirit Baptism<br /><br />Just as circumcision of the flesh was done on unregenerate Ishmael by virtue of his inclusion in the household of faith, so therefore water baptism is to be applied to all children of believers.<br /><br />Just as all who are circumcised in the flesh are not necessarily circumcised in the heart, so Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-14931616375433332772011-01-31T07:19:09.232+08:002011-01-31T07:19:09.232+08:00@Tammy:
>Does the circumcision made without ha...@Tammy:<br /><br />>Does the circumcision made without hands come at the moment of salvation or at the moment of baptism?<br /><br />That is one of the problems I have with Baptists. You guys do not understand that sacraments are signs and seals of the Covenant of Grace. Abraham circumcised Ishmael even when he wasn't a believer and in fact will never be one.<br /><br />Which is why Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-56118813045131466752011-01-31T04:11:41.651+08:002011-01-31T04:11:41.651+08:00Does the circumcision made without hands come at t...Does the circumcision made without hands come at the moment of salvation or at the moment of baptism? If it comes at the moment of salvation then infant baptism is null and void. If you believe it comes at the moment of baptism then I would have to disagree with you. <br /><br />Being a Baptist I would disagree with you that we don't realize the internal and external aspect to circumcisionTammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17515059541347478425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-70815690601018058112011-01-30T04:05:50.440+08:002011-01-30T04:05:50.440+08:00@Tammy:
Col. 2:11-12 identifies circumcision with...@Tammy:<br /><br />Col. 2:11-12 identifies circumcision with baptism. Even Paul King Jewett affirms that although he denies infant baptism. So perhaps you can elucidate what exactly do you have in mind.<br /><br />I have no problem with Rom. 2:25-29. The problem here is that Baptists in general do not realize that there is both an internal and an external aspect to both circumcision and baptism. Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-85246673048094977062011-01-30T00:12:42.660+08:002011-01-30T00:12:42.660+08:00From your article it seems to me that you believe ...From your article it seems to me that you believe in infant baptism. But from what Col 2:11-12 says that would contradict infant baptism. What about what Romans 2:25-29 says about the circumcision of the heart? Would that not be a sign of the covenant? Jesus said that what comes out of the heart is what matters.Tammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17515059541347478425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-80488917965027659452011-01-29T02:13:06.405+08:002011-01-29T02:13:06.405+08:00@Tammy:
John baptized for repentance in preparati...@Tammy:<br /><br />John baptized for repentance in preparation for the coming of Jesus Christ (cf Mt. 3:11). His baptism therefore is to refocus the people on the Law and their need to make right with God, as were the baptisms done during that time. Jesus get batized as he needs to be identified with sinners who break the Law and need to repent.<br /><br />John's baptism is not Christian Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-60941592429003875032011-01-28T22:35:57.028+08:002011-01-28T22:35:57.028+08:00Questions about baptism. Why did John baptize? W...Questions about baptism. Why did John baptize? Why did Jesus get baptize? Why do we believe baptism is a sign of the covenant?Tammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17515059541347478425noreply@blogger.com