tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post2383597083015233010..comments2023-09-01T16:11:44.564+08:00Comments on Daniel's Place - (Reformata et semper reformanda): Covenant and conditionalityDaniel Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-41215132335664542152014-05-08T16:59:23.869+08:002014-05-08T16:59:23.869+08:00As to your analysis of the PRA view of the covenan...As to your analysis of the PRA view of the covenant, you did point out certain problems with their view. However, it has no bearing on historic Covenant Theology.Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-83007758012486261982014-05-08T16:28:33.237+08:002014-05-08T16:28:33.237+08:00Gen. 17:14 was raised by Shepherd, and I think I h...Gen. 17:14 was raised by Shepherd, and I think I have already addressed it in the post. Here is the relevant section:<br /><br />=========<br />In his discussion of the Abrahamic Covenant, Shepherd claims that there are 5 requirements which had to be met in order for God to fulfill His promises to Abraham. The first requirement is that circumcision is necessary. Furthermore, since circumcision isDaniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-25661705603260993372014-05-08T16:24:24.488+08:002014-05-08T16:24:24.488+08:00As to John Murray, Murray has a view of the covena...As to John Murray, Murray has a view of the covenant which has historically served as a bridge (whether he intended it or not) to Norman Shepherd and then to FV. I disagree with Murray and agree with my professors at WSCAL on this issue. The Mosaic Covenant is a republication of the Covenant of Works, although it is still materially part of the Covenant of Grace.Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-60725649499041065032014-05-08T16:19:04.820+08:002014-05-08T16:19:04.820+08:00@Brandon,
for sure, covenant breakers is where th...@Brandon,<br /><br />for sure, covenant breakers is where the rubber meets the road. For if we say that believers are saved by grace alone not of their own works, then how can we account for the fact that some professed believers fall away from the faith, even from solid reformed churches? That is the question. Shepherd's other main concern is a perceived neglect of the law in Reformed Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-15088523614841041242014-05-08T01:50:08.533+08:002014-05-08T01:50:08.533+08:00Thus your discussion of the Abrahamic Covenant and...Thus your discussion of the Abrahamic Covenant and circumcision needs to address the concept of covenant breakers. John Murray is a perfect example of what the PRCA is objecting to:<br /> 1. "By breaking the covenant what is broken is not the condition of bestowal but the condition of consummated fruition"<br /> 2. "Without question the blessings of the covenant and the relation Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-52833232574300432872014-05-08T01:49:22.023+08:002014-05-08T01:49:22.023+08:00Owen:
And this is the great ground of them who abs...Owen:<br />And this is the great ground of them who absolutely deny the covenant of grace to be conditional ; namely, that the first grace is absolutely promised, whereon and its exercise the whole of it doth depend. <br /><br />(6.) Unto a full and complete interest in all the promises of the <br />covenant, faith on our part, from which evangelical repentance is <br />inseparable, is required. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-41955444402215088752014-05-08T01:48:12.307+08:002014-05-08T01:48:12.307+08:00Thank you for your post Daniel. I have listened to...Thank you for your post Daniel. I have listened to Shepherd lectures, but have not had a chance to read his book, so I can't comment directly on his discussion of conditionality.<br /><br />However, I think one thing missing from your analysis is the concept of covenant breakers. That's really what the discussion is about. The PRCA's unconditional covenant is specifically a response Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-87918044108301645172014-05-07T11:59:52.980+08:002014-05-07T11:59:52.980+08:00@Larry
Thanks. The first example is not a typo th...@Larry<br /><br />Thanks. The first example is not a typo though, as it is meant to be such for rhetorical effect.<br /><br />I don't know whether "predictions" is a better term. I think it is better to preserve the terminology, strange though it might sound.Daniel Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678184721218949112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19775846.post-18748309814546131712014-05-07T11:26:27.134+08:002014-05-07T11:26:27.134+08:00Might there be a couple typos?
1. (near the end) ...Might there be a couple typos?<br /><br />1. (near the end) "But not all conditions are conditions" to "But not all conditions are <i>a priori</i> conditions. <br /><br />2. (near the beginning) "and ideas that one can have an absolutely 'unconditional' covenant and faith is contrary ..." to "are contrary," to match "ideas," plural.<br /><br Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548005503765076487noreply@blogger.com